Comments on: NGOs in league with… the paramilitaries? http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177 Peace, security, human rights and the U.S. role in Latin America, from the Center for International Policy. Fri, 20 Aug 2010 00:36:29 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Paramilitaries Threaten Aida Quilcue and Social Organizations : Intercontinental Cry http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177&cpage=1#comment-7578 Paramilitaries Threaten Aida Quilcue and Social Organizations : Intercontinental Cry Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:23:53 +0000 http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177#comment-7578 [...] month before the death threat was issued by RATROJOS, in late October, Colombia’s Vice President hinted at an alliance between human rights groups and right-wing paramilitaries on live [...] [...] month before the death threat was issued by RATROJOS, in late October, Colombia’s Vice President hinted at an alliance between human rights groups and right-wing paramilitaries on live [...]

]]> By: Camilo Wilson http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177&cpage=1#comment-7222 Camilo Wilson Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:40:25 +0000 http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177#comment-7222 Tengo que responder al comentario del hermano Marcos. Lo voy a hacer en inglés, para que todos los lectores entiendan bien. Santos says two things: first, that the only two groups that are happy about the investigation (of him) are human-rights NGOs and paramilitaries. And then he adds that "this type of associations... and that the justice system should lend itself to this, has to leave us extremely uncomfortable." I would agree with you, Marcos, that Santos doesn’t say in the clip that the justice system should investigate this. The offending phrase, however, is "this type of associations." There is, in some marked degree, a lack of clarity in Santos' words as regards what type of “associations” he refers to. And so the reader is left with little recourse but to infer that he associates NGOs and paramilitaries. I would hope that Santos, a journalist, writes more clearly than he speaks. As you know from my recent comments, Marcos, I dislike Uribe and his regime very much. I dislike the values that he and many of those who support him represent. Those values lead to a lot of human suffering. And many of our Latin American brothers and sisters dislike those values as well, and dislike Uribe. I’m not a radical, Marcos. I’m not a FARC or an ELN insurgent. I have friends and colleagues the world over who hew a conservative line. I like them, I respect them. But some of them defend that line with a certain sophistication. Your defense falls sadly short of that. I would hope that time might either moderate your position, or at least sharpen it so you can be more credible in your defense. Que me disculpe que le hable con tanta franqueza. Se entenderá que le hablo como hermano mayor. Tengo que responder al comentario del hermano Marcos. Lo voy a hacer en inglés, para que todos los lectores entiendan bien.

Santos says two things: first, that the only two groups that are happy about the investigation (of him) are human-rights NGOs and paramilitaries. And then he adds that “this type of associations… and that the justice system should lend itself to this, has to leave us extremely uncomfortable.”

I would agree with you, Marcos, that Santos doesn’t say in the clip that the justice system should investigate this. The offending phrase, however, is “this type of associations.” There is, in some marked degree, a lack of clarity in Santos’ words as regards what type of “associations” he refers to. And so the reader is left with little recourse but to infer that he associates NGOs and paramilitaries. I would hope that Santos, a journalist, writes more clearly than he speaks.

As you know from my recent comments, Marcos, I dislike Uribe and his regime very much. I dislike the values that he and many of those who support him represent. Those values lead to a lot of human suffering. And many of our Latin American brothers and sisters dislike those values as well, and dislike Uribe. I’m not a radical, Marcos. I’m not a FARC or an ELN insurgent. I have friends and colleagues the world over who hew a conservative line. I like them, I respect them. But some of them defend that line with a certain sophistication. Your defense falls sadly short of that. I would hope that time might either moderate your position, or at least sharpen it so you can be more credible in your defense. Que me disculpe que le hable con tanta franqueza. Se entenderá que le hablo como hermano mayor.

]]> By: Marcos http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177&cpage=1#comment-7220 Marcos Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:16:12 +0000 http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177#comment-7220 Thanks for proving something that had crossed through my mind a few days ago as part of a different discussion. The fact that this blog will not hesitate to use misleading translations if it suits certain purposes. This is just the latest example. The contrast between what Santos is actually saying and your misinterpretation couldn't be clearer. The phrase: "Y que la justicia se preste pa' eso" Doesn't mean that Santos himself is actively asking the justice system to investigate that "association", which was more figurative than literal in the context of what he's saying. None of which matters to you people, but at least someone notices these things. Have a nice day and enjoy whatever benefits you receive from this "professional" presentation. Regards, Marcos Thanks for proving something that had crossed through my mind a few days ago as part of a different discussion.

The fact that this blog will not hesitate to use misleading translations if it suits certain purposes.

This is just the latest example.

The contrast between what Santos is actually saying and your misinterpretation couldn’t be clearer.

The phrase:

“Y que la justicia se preste pa’ eso”

Doesn’t mean that Santos himself is actively asking the justice system to investigate that “association”, which was more figurative than literal in the context of what he’s saying.

None of which matters to you people, but at least someone notices these things.

Have a nice day and enjoy whatever benefits you receive from this “professional” presentation.

Regards,

Marcos

]]> By: Jaime Bustos http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177&cpage=1#comment-7210 Jaime Bustos Fri, 30 Oct 2009 04:48:28 +0000 http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177#comment-7210 Too much weed + coke in his youth :mrgreen: Too much weed + coke in his youth :mrgreen:

]]> By: Randy Paul http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177&cpage=1#comment-7209 Randy Paul Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:50:38 +0000 http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177#comment-7209 Saltó el tiburón. Saltó el tiburón.

]]> By: Camilo Wilson http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177&cpage=1#comment-7206 Camilo Wilson Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:42:39 +0000 http://www.cipcol.org/?p=1177#comment-7206 Si no caen por tiros desde la izquierda, metanles bala desde la derecha. Hay que tumbarles a toda costa. ¿Es así, chicos, no? Or, as the Gringos would say, If you can't nail 'em from the Left, nail 'em from the Right. But nail 'em, by God. Si no caen por tiros desde la izquierda, metanles bala desde la derecha. Hay que tumbarles a toda costa. ¿Es así, chicos, no? Or, as the Gringos would say, If you can’t nail ‘em from the Left, nail ‘em from the Right. But nail ‘em, by God.

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