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	<description>Peace, security, human rights and the U.S. role in Latin America, from the Center for International Policy.</description>
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		<title>By: Plan Colombia and Beyond &#187; McCain in Colombia: don't embody "Bush's third term" in Latin America</title>
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		<dc:creator>Plan Colombia and Beyond &#187; McCain in Colombia: don't embody "Bush's third term" in Latin America</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in Colombia&#8217;s jungles, since February 2003. According to recently freed Colombian hostage Luis Eladio PÃ©rez, who spent more than a year chained with them in 2006-2008, the three men feel abandoned and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in Colombia&#8217;s jungles, since February 2003. According to recently freed Colombian hostage Luis Eladio PÃ©rez, who spent more than a year chained with them in 2006-2008, the three men feel abandoned and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Various and sundry &#171; radiocaptivity</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=599&#038;cpage=1#comment-2741</link>
		<dc:creator>Various and sundry &#171; radiocaptivity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 17:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Center for International Policyâ€™s Colombia blog features this entry about discussions with former FARC hostage Luis Eladio Perez, and his revealing thoughts about how [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Camilla</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=599&#038;cpage=1#comment-2739</link>
		<dc:creator>Camilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 05:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anyone had treated me the way the Marxist FARC terrorists had treated Sen. Perez, the last thing in the world I&#039;d want would be concessions to these war criminals or to hand them a piece of my democracy&#039;s legitimate political power. How do you then negotiate with a group like that. Negotiations always involve tradeoffs and to give these Marxist dirtbags anything other than a free planted bullet is immoral. 

The Senator is pretty insistent that the Colombian army (the successful one that gave Raul Reyes what he deserved) not attempt a rescue. Yet at the same time, he says that the hostages themselves pray for one - which is the same thing that John McCain, once a tortured prisoner subject to Marxist war crimes in Vietnam, said he wanted too. McCain said that when he was being held hostage, he was thrilled when the US started bombing Hanoi because it raised the prospects of rescue.

Why would the Senator not want what the hostages themselves want? I get the feeling he hasn&#039;t sorted everything out in his mind and may still have lingering Stockholm syndrome. Did anyone ask the Senator why he was carefully selected for release and some 800 other hostages, high-value and low-value, were not? Could it be because he&#039;s urging the same &#039;let-FARC-off-scot-free&#039; approach that FARC itself would be happy to see, now that it is on its last legs.

And did anyone ask the good Senator if he&#039;d be the first to complain if the Colombian army did execute a successful rescue mission, blowing the terrorists to hell, instead of the Marxist appeasement they would like? Would the Senator really complain about that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anyone had treated me the way the Marxist FARC terrorists had treated Sen. Perez, the last thing in the world I&#8217;d want would be concessions to these war criminals or to hand them a piece of my democracy&#8217;s legitimate political power. How do you then negotiate with a group like that. Negotiations always involve tradeoffs and to give these Marxist dirtbags anything other than a free planted bullet is immoral. </p>
<p>The Senator is pretty insistent that the Colombian army (the successful one that gave Raul Reyes what he deserved) not attempt a rescue. Yet at the same time, he says that the hostages themselves pray for one &#8211; which is the same thing that John McCain, once a tortured prisoner subject to Marxist war crimes in Vietnam, said he wanted too. McCain said that when he was being held hostage, he was thrilled when the US started bombing Hanoi because it raised the prospects of rescue.</p>
<p>Why would the Senator not want what the hostages themselves want? I get the feeling he hasn&#8217;t sorted everything out in his mind and may still have lingering Stockholm syndrome. Did anyone ask the Senator why he was carefully selected for release and some 800 other hostages, high-value and low-value, were not? Could it be because he&#8217;s urging the same &#8216;let-FARC-off-scot-free&#8217; approach that FARC itself would be happy to see, now that it is on its last legs.</p>
<p>And did anyone ask the good Senator if he&#8217;d be the first to complain if the Colombian army did execute a successful rescue mission, blowing the terrorists to hell, instead of the Marxist appeasement they would like? Would the Senator really complain about that?</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Isacson</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=599&#038;cpage=1#comment-2738</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Isacson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 00:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand by that quote, which I never saw, thanks for alerting me. That is an excerpt from a 15-minute conversation in which, of course, we discussed the possibility that the paramilitaries might be even more willing to talk now that they have nothing to lose. 

Admittedly, my analysis was still primitive at that point, since the conversation with the El Tiempo reporter took place at 8:45 Tuesday morning, just after he told me that the paramilitary leaders&#039; planes were in the air. The U.S. and Colombian governments had not yet issued any statements.

But yes - for now, the para-politics process has indeed ground to a screeching halt, and it is fair to wonder whether it will now be able to go beyond the few dozen regional politicians who have been caught up in the investigations so far. It will only recover if the paramilitaries&#039; access to those investigating non-drug crimes is truly guaranteed. Over the past six days, the U.S. and Colombian governments have been saying the right things about such access. They must be held to these statements.

On the other point, Senator Perez did not mention any hostages getting treatment that could be considered much kinder. However, he did mention that the guerrilla captors deliberately sought to divide the military and police prisoners - whom they considered to be class allies from &quot;el pueblo&quot; - from the &quot;bourgeois&quot; civilian politician hostages. There appears to be a marginal difference in how the two groups were/are treated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand by that quote, which I never saw, thanks for alerting me. That is an excerpt from a 15-minute conversation in which, of course, we discussed the possibility that the paramilitaries might be even more willing to talk now that they have nothing to lose. </p>
<p>Admittedly, my analysis was still primitive at that point, since the conversation with the El Tiempo reporter took place at 8:45 Tuesday morning, just after he told me that the paramilitary leaders&#8217; planes were in the air. The U.S. and Colombian governments had not yet issued any statements.</p>
<p>But yes &#8211; for now, the para-politics process has indeed ground to a screeching halt, and it is fair to wonder whether it will now be able to go beyond the few dozen regional politicians who have been caught up in the investigations so far. It will only recover if the paramilitaries&#8217; access to those investigating non-drug crimes is truly guaranteed. Over the past six days, the U.S. and Colombian governments have been saying the right things about such access. They must be held to these statements.</p>
<p>On the other point, Senator Perez did not mention any hostages getting treatment that could be considered much kinder. However, he did mention that the guerrilla captors deliberately sought to divide the military and police prisoners &#8211; whom they considered to be class allies from &#8220;el pueblo&#8221; &#8211; from the &#8220;bourgeois&#8221; civilian politician hostages. There appears to be a marginal difference in how the two groups were/are treated.</p>
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		<title>By: rainer cale</title>
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		<dc:creator>rainer cale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adam, hate to get OT, especially with such an important topic, but just to clarify re: your comment No. 40 on the previous post, to wit:

&quot;Beg pardon? Due to the PÃ©rez visit taking up nearly every waking moment, this blog post was the only statement I was able to make about the extraditions last week. My position didnâ€™t evolve at all, I only had time to express it once, and rather hastily at that.&quot;

Then where did El Tiempo get this?-

&quot;...(E)l analista Adam Isacson (afirma) que esta (la extradiciÃ³n) podrÃ­a ser el fin del escÃ¡ndolo conocido como la &#039;parapolÃ­tica&#039;.  &#039;Si Uribe o su entorno estaban preocupados estaban preocupados por lo que dijeran los ex &#039;paras&#039;, esta serÃ­a una forma de callarlos&#039;, agregÃ³ Isacson.&quot;
(&quot;Nuevo cruce de crÃ­ticas de Uribe con Vivanco&quot; Page 1-6 El Tiempo, Weds. 14 May)

If El Tiempo did not fabricate your remarks, then your position did evolve, because what appeared in your blog was almost the opposite:

&quot;Now that they have little to lose...the paramilitary leadership may be more willing than before to talk about who helped them over the years, what their financial and logistical networks looked like, and perhaps what happened to their victims....&quot;

If El Tiempo fabricated your remarks, or if there has been some other misunderstanding, sorry.

As for today&#039;s topic-

&quot;Their guerrilla captors are unspeakably cruel, chaining the hostages by their necks, shooting at their feet to silence them or force them to walk faster, and denying medical care beyond provision of a single aspirin.&quot;

By and large this coincides with the general body of hostage testimony that is on record.  However, once in a blue moon you hear about hostages who were treated well, no chains or razor wire, befriended by their guerrilla captors, treated to barbecues, etc. allowed to sleep with their spouses if the spouses were also taken--I wonder why?  If I&#039;m going to be kidnapped, how do I make reservations with those guys and not the ones who shoot at my feet?

I can&#039;t generalize, but according to one hostage testimony in particular, the conditions in a hostage prison camp depend a lot upon whether or not hostages have tried to flee, or whether or not the guerrillas consider them a flight risk, as they would in the case of Perez or any other high profile hostage.

I feel quite worried for the hostages in that camp in Putumayo, for example, where that police guy (name escapes me at the moment) managed to escape last year and then wrote a book about it, explaining how he had cut through his handcuffs over the course of several months etc.  By going on TV and writing that book, this guy consciously worsened the condition of his fellow hostages by a factor of ten, probably also incited reprisal FARC attacks against surrounding indigenous communities (because he told how he was helped by an indigenous woman during his flight) and ensured that the technique by which he escaped can never be used again.  What an asshole.  There should be some protocol in place to prevent this sort of thing from happening.

Re: the aspirin-I&#039;ve heard that medical provisions are not distributed to hostages because the army controls the entrance of medical supplies into a guerrilla controled zone.  I&#039;ll bet most of Perez&#039;s guerrilla captors themselves were suffering from hepatitis, malaria, and so forth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adam, hate to get OT, especially with such an important topic, but just to clarify re: your comment No. 40 on the previous post, to wit:</p>
<p>&#8220;Beg pardon? Due to the PÃ©rez visit taking up nearly every waking moment, this blog post was the only statement I was able to make about the extraditions last week. My position didnâ€™t evolve at all, I only had time to express it once, and rather hastily at that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then where did El Tiempo get this?-</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;(E)l analista Adam Isacson (afirma) que esta (la extradiciÃ³n) podrÃ­a ser el fin del escÃ¡ndolo conocido como la &#8216;parapolÃ­tica&#8217;.  &#8216;Si Uribe o su entorno estaban preocupados estaban preocupados por lo que dijeran los ex &#8216;paras&#8217;, esta serÃ­a una forma de callarlos&#8217;, agregÃ³ Isacson.&#8221;<br />
(&#8221;Nuevo cruce de crÃ­ticas de Uribe con Vivanco&#8221; Page 1-6 El Tiempo, Weds. 14 May)</p>
<p>If El Tiempo did not fabricate your remarks, then your position did evolve, because what appeared in your blog was almost the opposite:</p>
<p>&#8220;Now that they have little to lose&#8230;the paramilitary leadership may be more willing than before to talk about who helped them over the years, what their financial and logistical networks looked like, and perhaps what happened to their victims&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>If El Tiempo fabricated your remarks, or if there has been some other misunderstanding, sorry.</p>
<p>As for today&#8217;s topic-</p>
<p>&#8220;Their guerrilla captors are unspeakably cruel, chaining the hostages by their necks, shooting at their feet to silence them or force them to walk faster, and denying medical care beyond provision of a single aspirin.&#8221;</p>
<p>By and large this coincides with the general body of hostage testimony that is on record.  However, once in a blue moon you hear about hostages who were treated well, no chains or razor wire, befriended by their guerrilla captors, treated to barbecues, etc. allowed to sleep with their spouses if the spouses were also taken&#8211;I wonder why?  If I&#8217;m going to be kidnapped, how do I make reservations with those guys and not the ones who shoot at my feet?</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t generalize, but according to one hostage testimony in particular, the conditions in a hostage prison camp depend a lot upon whether or not hostages have tried to flee, or whether or not the guerrillas consider them a flight risk, as they would in the case of Perez or any other high profile hostage.</p>
<p>I feel quite worried for the hostages in that camp in Putumayo, for example, where that police guy (name escapes me at the moment) managed to escape last year and then wrote a book about it, explaining how he had cut through his handcuffs over the course of several months etc.  By going on TV and writing that book, this guy consciously worsened the condition of his fellow hostages by a factor of ten, probably also incited reprisal FARC attacks against surrounding indigenous communities (because he told how he was helped by an indigenous woman during his flight) and ensured that the technique by which he escaped can never be used again.  What an asshole.  There should be some protocol in place to prevent this sort of thing from happening.</p>
<p>Re: the aspirin-I&#8217;ve heard that medical provisions are not distributed to hostages because the army controls the entrance of medical supplies into a guerrilla controled zone.  I&#8217;ll bet most of Perez&#8217;s guerrilla captors themselves were suffering from hepatitis, malaria, and so forth.</p>
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