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	<description>Peace, security, human rights and the U.S. role in Latin America, from the Center for International Policy.</description>
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		<title>By: Adam Isacson</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=712&#038;cpage=1#comment-4639</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Isacson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 01:33:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Harry/Jennifer: What would you have told a Colombian audience? That with Obama, the paradigm has shifted and the new U.S. government is totally dedicated to righting old wrongs? That&#039;s not at all guaranteed. Getting there will require a lot of work from our community, more than before, I think.

CINEP charged me with writing a piece in a Colombian publication about &quot;what to expect in an Obama administration,&quot; not &quot;what U.S. policy should look like.&quot; These are _predictions,_ not endorsements. Our policy recommendations have been part of many of our other writings. 

You may disagree with tone or word choice (for instance, it would have been clearer but clunkier if I&#039;d written &quot;the Colombian _government_ is one of the few &quot;friends&quot; the U.S. _government_ has left&quot;). But I think it would be dishonest to tell a Colombian audience that dramatic, drastic change in U.S. policy is automatically on its way. It just isn&#039;t, not without a lot of work that U.S. citizens will have to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Harry/Jennifer: What would you have told a Colombian audience? That with Obama, the paradigm has shifted and the new U.S. government is totally dedicated to righting old wrongs? That&#8217;s not at all guaranteed. Getting there will require a lot of work from our community, more than before, I think.</p>
<p>CINEP charged me with writing a piece in a Colombian publication about &#8220;what to expect in an Obama administration,&#8221; not &#8220;what U.S. policy should look like.&#8221; These are _predictions,_ not endorsements. Our policy recommendations have been part of many of our other writings. </p>
<p>You may disagree with tone or word choice (for instance, it would have been clearer but clunkier if I&#8217;d written &#8220;the Colombian _government_ is one of the few &#8220;friends&#8221; the U.S. _government_ has left&#8221;). But I think it would be dishonest to tell a Colombian audience that dramatic, drastic change in U.S. policy is automatically on its way. It just isn&#8217;t, not without a lot of work that U.S. citizens will have to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=712&#038;cpage=1#comment-4635</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the post above.

And the one commenter  above seems to be glad if Thomas Shannon sticks around, lol!

&quot;Colombia is one of the few â€œfriendsâ€ the United States has left in a region where the influence of â€œBolivarianâ€ leaders is on the increase.&quot;

What does &quot;friends&quot; mean?  This line condenses a multiplicity of assumptions and ideological biases, though it is not uncommon.  I would argue that most of the regular people in the world are friends of the regular people in the United States. It is the imperialist policies and funding of violence  under the pretext of the &quot;drg war&quot; and elitist first world views that the &quot;Bolivarian&quot; leaders are no friends of.

Colombia drug production and violence expanding enormously with billions of US $. In Bolivia the rate of coca exporting is fractional, and sans US $.  Draw your own clear conclusion.
more like friends of the military contractors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the post above.</p>
<p>And the one commenter  above seems to be glad if Thomas Shannon sticks around, lol!</p>
<p>&#8220;Colombia is one of the few â€œfriendsâ€ the United States has left in a region where the influence of â€œBolivarianâ€ leaders is on the increase.&#8221;</p>
<p>What does &#8220;friends&#8221; mean?  This line condenses a multiplicity of assumptions and ideological biases, though it is not uncommon.  I would argue that most of the regular people in the world are friends of the regular people in the United States. It is the imperialist policies and funding of violence  under the pretext of the &#8220;drg war&#8221; and elitist first world views that the &#8220;Bolivarian&#8221; leaders are no friends of.</p>
<p>Colombia drug production and violence expanding enormously with billions of US $. In Bolivia the rate of coca exporting is fractional, and sans US $.  Draw your own clear conclusion.<br />
more like friends of the military contractors.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=712&#038;cpage=1#comment-4634</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Dec 2008 15:15:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a very nuanced piece coming from where information is well known.  This here had me wondering if this was a parody form The Onion:

 &quot;They are pragmatic experts, much less ideological than the Bush administrationâ€™s hard-liners. While they do recognize the importance of human rights and social justice, they are also guided by a conception that the U.S. interest must always come first.&quot;
This &quot;pragmatic&quot; line is all around, like a buffer of critical thought.

or this:
&quot;Instead of fumigation, there will likely be more investment in civil-military programs seeking to strengthen an entire-state presence in territories that currently are barely governed.&quot;
ie, mercenaries, soldiers, more weaponry, displace people

and there is so mch more, but just ine more:

&quot;Colombia will thus probably continue to be the main destination of U.S. aid to Latin America, though Mexico - under the so-called â€œMÃ©rida Initiativeâ€ - could come to occupy this position within a few years. And the truth is that even if McCain had won, reductions in aid to Colombia would have been inevitable.&quot;
Why could it come to occupy this position?  Only if the thinktanks and policy wonks signal to Obama et al that plan Colombia and MÃ©rida initiative will be studied and commented and bolstered by the NGO and state apparatus and not vigorously opposed at every step.

Very disappointing, dangerous piece here, but I am glad to get some insight as to how terrible and violent policy continuance is fostered, and how dedicated activists can work to change for real these unimaginative possibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a very nuanced piece coming from where information is well known.  This here had me wondering if this was a parody form The Onion:</p>
<p> &#8220;They are pragmatic experts, much less ideological than the Bush administrationâ€™s hard-liners. While they do recognize the importance of human rights and social justice, they are also guided by a conception that the U.S. interest must always come first.&#8221;<br />
This &#8220;pragmatic&#8221; line is all around, like a buffer of critical thought.</p>
<p>or this:<br />
&#8220;Instead of fumigation, there will likely be more investment in civil-military programs seeking to strengthen an entire-state presence in territories that currently are barely governed.&#8221;<br />
ie, mercenaries, soldiers, more weaponry, displace people</p>
<p>and there is so mch more, but just ine more:</p>
<p>&#8220;Colombia will thus probably continue to be the main destination of U.S. aid to Latin America, though Mexico &#8211; under the so-called â€œMÃ©rida Initiativeâ€ &#8211; could come to occupy this position within a few years. And the truth is that even if McCain had won, reductions in aid to Colombia would have been inevitable.&#8221;<br />
Why could it come to occupy this position?  Only if the thinktanks and policy wonks signal to Obama et al that plan Colombia and MÃ©rida initiative will be studied and commented and bolstered by the NGO and state apparatus and not vigorously opposed at every step.</p>
<p>Very disappointing, dangerous piece here, but I am glad to get some insight as to how terrible and violent policy continuance is fostered, and how dedicated activists can work to change for real these unimaginative possibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Camilla</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=712&#038;cpage=1#comment-4592</link>
		<dc:creator>Camilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good analysis, I agree with it. I&#039;m no insider, but FWIW hear Restrepo is going for a domestic policy job and Shannon may stay on at State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good analysis, I agree with it. I&#8217;m no insider, but FWIW hear Restrepo is going for a domestic policy job and Shannon may stay on at State.</p>
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		<title>By: lfm</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=712&#038;cpage=1#comment-4587</link>
		<dc:creator>lfm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 16:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe itÂ´s inappropriate to keep injecting remarks belonging to a previous thread, but here I go again:

El ComÃºn: That was a pretty thoughtful response, which is more than can be said of many others here. Other than appreciating that, I will say that I am glad to see that we can sort of &quot;agree to disagree&quot; on one important point: Ultimately, the whole process of J&amp;P was a political choice. As such, it could be carried well, it could be carried badly, it could have this or that legal accoutrement and so on. But at the end of the day, it was a deliberate political choice that responded to a political valuation of what the conflict was: it accepted to negotiate with the paramilitary without seeking first their total defeat in the battlefield, as opposed to the current stance toward the FARC. ThatÂ´s what gets the process started. ThatÂ´s a political choice, among many others that could have been made. 

So, does J&amp;P deserve a chance? Well, I rather have J&amp;P being well executed than poorly executed, thatÂ´s for sure. I donÂ´t rule out that some good will come out of it. But I think we have to understand that J&amp;P operates within the constraints placed by that initial choice. Those constraints determine what good and what evil will come out of it.

The point is not that J&amp;P is imperfect: everything is. Neither is it that J&amp;P will deliver some good: almost every policy does. The point is to notice that, whenever J&amp;P does some good, it came at a cost, a cost determined by very specific political choices in the past. For political, ideological reasons, I think the costs are too large and those choices were wrong and hope that we change course in the future. You donÂ´t think they were wrong? You donÂ´t share my political and ideological outlook? I can live with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe itÂ´s inappropriate to keep injecting remarks belonging to a previous thread, but here I go again:</p>
<p>El ComÃºn: That was a pretty thoughtful response, which is more than can be said of many others here. Other than appreciating that, I will say that I am glad to see that we can sort of &#8220;agree to disagree&#8221; on one important point: Ultimately, the whole process of J&amp;P was a political choice. As such, it could be carried well, it could be carried badly, it could have this or that legal accoutrement and so on. But at the end of the day, it was a deliberate political choice that responded to a political valuation of what the conflict was: it accepted to negotiate with the paramilitary without seeking first their total defeat in the battlefield, as opposed to the current stance toward the FARC. ThatÂ´s what gets the process started. ThatÂ´s a political choice, among many others that could have been made. </p>
<p>So, does J&amp;P deserve a chance? Well, I rather have J&amp;P being well executed than poorly executed, thatÂ´s for sure. I donÂ´t rule out that some good will come out of it. But I think we have to understand that J&amp;P operates within the constraints placed by that initial choice. Those constraints determine what good and what evil will come out of it.</p>
<p>The point is not that J&amp;P is imperfect: everything is. Neither is it that J&amp;P will deliver some good: almost every policy does. The point is to notice that, whenever J&amp;P does some good, it came at a cost, a cost determined by very specific political choices in the past. For political, ideological reasons, I think the costs are too large and those choices were wrong and hope that we change course in the future. You donÂ´t think they were wrong? You donÂ´t share my political and ideological outlook? I can live with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaime Bustos</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=712&#038;cpage=1#comment-4585</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaime Bustos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 13:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to know what role is Mr Barack Hussein Obama playing in the NWO scheme.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to know what role is Mr Barack Hussein Obama playing in the NWO scheme.</p>
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