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	<title>Comments on: Diabolical Mad Genius? Drug Money Goon?</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Fridman</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=713&#038;cpage=1#comment-8384</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Fridman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the alleged method that DMG used to launder narco proceeds, according to the dea website,  http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/2010/nyc010510.html (I&#039;m not sure what is so difficult to understand here .. the above skeptics should be asking themselves, how did Guzman go from 0 to $ in such a short period of time. Not asking this leaves me to question the replying contributors&#039; agenda ... do they have interest in the Guzman group?):

MURCIA GUZMÃN and six others are charged with laundering narcotics proceeds through DMG and DMG&#039;s affiliated companies, using the Colombian Black Market Peso Exchange, an informal value transfer system commonly used to launder illicitly-obtained dollars in the United States, in exchange for pesos taken in for &quot;legitimate&quot; purchases in Colombia. For example, in the fall of 2007, MURCIA GUZMÃN and co-defendant MARGARITA LEONOR PABON CASTRO, 35, approached another individual in Colombia and said that they had cash -- apparently in U.S. dollars -- that they could not deposit into the Colombian banking system. MURCIA GUZMÃN and PABON CASTRO asked the individual to set up an account in the United States where these funds could be deposited. Thereafter, the individual opened an account at Merrill Lynch in the United States, under the name &quot;Blackstone International Development&quot; (the &quot;Blackstone Account&quot;). Neither MURCIA GUZMÃN nor PABON CASTRO was listed as owners of the Blackstone Account.
In March 2008, MURCIA GUZMÃN and PABON CASTRO told the same individual that they had provided $2.2 million worth of Colombian Pesos to GERMAN ENRIQUE SERRANO-REYES, 45, in Colombia, and, in exchange, SERRANO-REYES had caused nearly $2.2 million to be wired into the Blackstone Account through 18 separate wire transfers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the alleged method that DMG used to launder narco proceeds, according to the dea website,  <a href="http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/2010/nyc010510.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.justice.gov/dea/pubs/states/newsrel/2010/nyc010510.html</a> (I&#8217;m not sure what is so difficult to understand here .. the above skeptics should be asking themselves, how did Guzman go from 0 to $ in such a short period of time. Not asking this leaves me to question the replying contributors&#8217; agenda &#8230; do they have interest in the Guzman group?):</p>
<p>MURCIA GUZMÃN and six others are charged with laundering narcotics proceeds through DMG and DMG&#8217;s affiliated companies, using the Colombian Black Market Peso Exchange, an informal value transfer system commonly used to launder illicitly-obtained dollars in the United States, in exchange for pesos taken in for &#8220;legitimate&#8221; purchases in Colombia. For example, in the fall of 2007, MURCIA GUZMÃN and co-defendant MARGARITA LEONOR PABON CASTRO, 35, approached another individual in Colombia and said that they had cash &#8212; apparently in U.S. dollars &#8212; that they could not deposit into the Colombian banking system. MURCIA GUZMÃN and PABON CASTRO asked the individual to set up an account in the United States where these funds could be deposited. Thereafter, the individual opened an account at Merrill Lynch in the United States, under the name &#8220;Blackstone International Development&#8221; (the &#8220;Blackstone Account&#8221;). Neither MURCIA GUZMÃN nor PABON CASTRO was listed as owners of the Blackstone Account.<br />
In March 2008, MURCIA GUZMÃN and PABON CASTRO told the same individual that they had provided $2.2 million worth of Colombian Pesos to GERMAN ENRIQUE SERRANO-REYES, 45, in Colombia, and, in exchange, SERRANO-REYES had caused nearly $2.2 million to be wired into the Blackstone Account through 18 separate wire transfers.</p>
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		<title>By: Â¿Disminuye la coca? &#171; Drogas y conflicto en Colombia</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=713&#038;cpage=1#comment-7270</link>
		<dc:creator>Â¿Disminuye la coca? &#171; Drogas y conflicto en Colombia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] cocaleros del paÃ­s, Putumayo y NariÃ±o. Esos departamentos conocieron en 2008 el boom de las pirÃ¡mides de dinero las cuales representaron para numerosas familias campesinas de esas regiones un ingreso [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] cocaleros del paÃ­s, Putumayo y NariÃ±o. Esos departamentos conocieron en 2008 el boom de las pirÃ¡mides de dinero las cuales representaron para numerosas familias campesinas de esas regiones un ingreso [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Plan Colombia and Beyond &#187; 2008: less fumigation, less coca</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=713&#038;cpage=1#comment-7264</link>
		<dc:creator>Plan Colombia and Beyond &#187; 2008: less fumigation, less coca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 23:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] especially Putumayo and NariÃ±o departments, that were hit hard by the collapse of several large pyramid schemes in November of last year &#8211; too late to be registered in the 2008 coca data. Anecdotal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] especially Putumayo and NariÃ±o departments, that were hit hard by the collapse of several large pyramid schemes in November of last year &#8211; too late to be registered in the 2008 coca data. Anecdotal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Plan Colombia and Beyond &#187; The UNODC&#8217;s 2008 coca data</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=713&#038;cpage=1#comment-5728</link>
		<dc:creator>Plan Colombia and Beyond &#187; The UNODC&#8217;s 2008 coca data</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Colombia. The reason is the late 2008 collapse of several pyramid schemes, including the notorious DMG corporation, which wiped out the assets of a large portion of the population in these departments&#8217; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Colombia. The reason is the late 2008 collapse of several pyramid schemes, including the notorious DMG corporation, which wiped out the assets of a large portion of the population in these departments&#8217; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 26 reasons to be critical &#171; Todos Somos Geckos</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=713&#038;cpage=1#comment-4673</link>
		<dc:creator>26 reasons to be critical &#171; Todos Somos Geckos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 21:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] positives,&#8221; who were made to look like guerrillas. And before he jailed the chief of the narco-pyramid scheme that has decimated the savings of possibly millions of Colombians in rural departments like NariÃ±o [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] positives,&#8221; who were made to look like guerrillas. And before he jailed the chief of the narco-pyramid scheme that has decimated the savings of possibly millions of Colombians in rural departments like NariÃ±o [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Prometheusmapiripan</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=713&#038;cpage=1#comment-4643</link>
		<dc:creator>Prometheusmapiripan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting, and even amusing summary of this national disgrace. Only the part about the lack of responsability of the thousands of colombians involved with DMG should be called into question. Unfortunately to most people in colombia it is obvious that somebody who pays 50% interest in six months is involved with narcotraffickers or their paramilitars. It is the only way!!. They just do not want to see or admit it because of their greed; just the same as they will not admit that Alvaro Uribe is involved with the drug bosses, as long as he battles against the guerrilla.  We have far more greed than conscience and that make us not innocent victims but accomplices of such criminals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, and even amusing summary of this national disgrace. Only the part about the lack of responsability of the thousands of colombians involved with DMG should be called into question. Unfortunately to most people in colombia it is obvious that somebody who pays 50% interest in six months is involved with narcotraffickers or their paramilitars. It is the only way!!. They just do not want to see or admit it because of their greed; just the same as they will not admit that Alvaro Uribe is involved with the drug bosses, as long as he battles against the guerrilla.  We have far more greed than conscience and that make us not innocent victims but accomplices of such criminals.</p>
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		<title>By: anna</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=713&#038;cpage=1#comment-4601</link>
		<dc:creator>anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 21:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree that drugs and drug money is involved here, I still donÂ´t understand how this business creates &quot;clean&quot; money. Nothing within the books of DMG will ever show how investor&#039;s money was invested in Something that produced interest that was clean, which was given back to the investors. Even the original investment while perhaps clean of drugs still isnÂ´t clean (its a friggin pyramid scheme) nor was the money paid to them &#039;clean&#039;. Maybe I donÂ´t understand what is &#039;clean&#039;.

I think the model was more along the lines of threatening the government out of investigating the fact that drug money was involved AND I think it had the affect (although not perhaps the original intention) of concentrating land into the hands of DMG as hundreds (thousands?) of farmers sold their farms and homes to dmg to invest in DMG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree that drugs and drug money is involved here, I still donÂ´t understand how this business creates &#8220;clean&#8221; money. Nothing within the books of DMG will ever show how investor&#8217;s money was invested in Something that produced interest that was clean, which was given back to the investors. Even the original investment while perhaps clean of drugs still isnÂ´t clean (its a friggin pyramid scheme) nor was the money paid to them &#8216;clean&#8217;. Maybe I donÂ´t understand what is &#8216;clean&#8217;.</p>
<p>I think the model was more along the lines of threatening the government out of investigating the fact that drug money was involved AND I think it had the affect (although not perhaps the original intention) of concentrating land into the hands of DMG as hundreds (thousands?) of farmers sold their farms and homes to dmg to invest in DMG.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Isacson</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=713&#038;cpage=1#comment-4600</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Isacson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colombia is probably full of money-losing enterprises, from hotels to cattle ranches, that are principally fronts for money-laundering. 

Those seem to work if your goal is to launder a few million here or there. But what about hundreds of millions, or even billions? (At a time when the drug mafia is undergoing &quot;generational change&quot; and the paramilitary leadership was demobilizing?) 

DMG was a pyramid scheme - the inducement to sign up friends makes that apparent. Someday in the future it probably would have collapsed. But I think it was a unique, hybrid pyramid scheme. Its imminent collapse was being delayed almost indefinitely by what appears to have been a steady flow of cash from a source other than its customers&#039; &quot;investments.&quot;

At what point would DMG have expanded so much that even drug money wouldn&#039;t have been enough to sustain it? Who knows. The collapse was either just around the corner, or there was enough &quot;dirty&quot; money in the queue to keep it going for a while yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colombia is probably full of money-losing enterprises, from hotels to cattle ranches, that are principally fronts for money-laundering. </p>
<p>Those seem to work if your goal is to launder a few million here or there. But what about hundreds of millions, or even billions? (At a time when the drug mafia is undergoing &#8220;generational change&#8221; and the paramilitary leadership was demobilizing?) </p>
<p>DMG was a pyramid scheme &#8211; the inducement to sign up friends makes that apparent. Someday in the future it probably would have collapsed. But I think it was a unique, hybrid pyramid scheme. Its imminent collapse was being delayed almost indefinitely by what appears to have been a steady flow of cash from a source other than its customers&#8217; &#8220;investments.&#8221;</p>
<p>At what point would DMG have expanded so much that even drug money wouldn&#8217;t have been enough to sustain it? Who knows. The collapse was either just around the corner, or there was enough &#8220;dirty&#8221; money in the queue to keep it going for a while yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Doppiafila</title>
		<link>http://www.cipcol.org/?p=713&#038;cpage=1#comment-4598</link>
		<dc:creator>Doppiafila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 07:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Adam, I am still not completely convinced by the money-laundering nature of DMG. Their model would generate money (in a classical Ponzi scheme), so there would be no need to launder it... And then, once the TV set is bought and resod, what is the need to give money back, if laundering is the objective of the whole exercise? I don&#039;t know...
Regards, Doppiafila</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Adam, I am still not completely convinced by the money-laundering nature of DMG. Their model would generate money (in a classical Ponzi scheme), so there would be no need to launder it&#8230; And then, once the TV set is bought and resod, what is the need to give money back, if laundering is the objective of the whole exercise? I don&#8217;t know&#8230;<br />
Regards, Doppiafila</p>
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